In this interview with Douglas Berger of the Glass City Humanists in Toledo, Ohio, I talk about my past interfaith work and present writing. Give a listen and let me know what you think.
“Some of the more liberal clergy people, and not just Christian, but Jewish tradition and Buddhist traditions and others, would kind of pat me on the back and work with me and say you’re doing the work, you’re doing the work, as long as you’re out there with people and helping them as best you can walking with people, sitting with people, listening a lot, that kind of presence ministry that I did for many years, it just, you know, that whole theology thing really didn’t fit anymore. So, I sometimes describe it as a little bit like faith evaporated. It was, and I always tell people, you know, I didn’t lose my faith, it just sort of evaporated. And when I left my ordination, about 20 years ago, now, it was really, it was a reasonable decision. And to me, it was a logical, natural step for me to, in a sense, take that piece of paper I got, after all that education, all that seminary training, all those tests to make sure I was, you know, a good believer, and giving it back, like taking the paper off the wall, that degree off the wall and handing it back and saying, thanks, but I don’t need this anymore, to do the work, to be the person I am.”
“Humanism almost came naturally to me. looking around for a philosophy, a way of life, a way of understanding the world that includes people, it’s about justice, it’s about building bridges, instead of blowing them up. You know, humanism is a very creative, positive approach to life and just makes a lot of sense. So I’m with Thomas Paine on that one, I’m into common sense.”
Photo: in the street chaplain years